Edmund Miles (1854 - 1922) and Lucy Ann Thomas (abt. 1868-1930)Notes:
LucyLucy Ann Thomas, born in 1868, was the daughter of Morgan John Thomas and Margaret Vaughan. It is believed she was born in Mountain Ash where she was christened on 19 November 1868. (In the christening record, her middle name is spelled 'Anne'). At the time fo the 1881 census Lucy Ann was living with her father and stepmother Ann at 20 Mount Pleasant Terrace. (There is a problem to be sorted ou here --)
apparently had an excellent voice. She sang alto according
to her brother Edmund. The story is told that at some
point she sang at the Crystal Palace in London with her
daughter Hannah and that this might have been related to
Queen Victoria's Jubilee. Hannah was born in 1899 and the
last jubilee for Queen Victoria was in 1897; Queen
Victoria died in 1901.So if she sang with Hannah would
have to have been after about 1909 and would not have been
for Queen Victoria. Perhaps they sang at the coronation of
George V in 1911.
Her daughter Blodwyn wrote this about her mother: "My mother was born in Mountain Ash where she was buried. My mother's father was Morgan John Thomas, his wife was Margaret Vaughan. My mother's mother had a brother David Vaughan. He married a Sarah Thomas who was her father's sister, therefore a brother and a sister married a brother and a sister -- rather hard to understand. . . .My mother told me that her own mother died and her father remarried Mary Miles . . .who was a bar-maid in a local pub. . . . her brother was Edmund Miles . . . They [Morgan John Thomas and Mary Miles] had five children, three sons, two daughters. My mother told me she was cruel to my mother and her brother John. My mother ran away from home. Her father and her brother went looking for her. They found her, she was in domestic service, and took her back home. She was responsible for looking after her five step-brothers and sisters.. Her step-mother was not very workish. I don't know how it came about my mother was eighteen a good singer and a good looking woman. She married my father Edmund Miles who was fifteen years older than my mother."
EdmundEdmund Miles was born 11 January, 1854 in Bedwelty, a mining town near the border between Monmouthshire and Glamorgan, near the Severn bridge. He was a son of Thomas Miles by his first wife Mary Evans. This copy of his birth registration was provided by David Vaughan.
In the registration of his birth the location of the birth is identified as Cwm, Rhymney. This is near Bedwellty which is where Edmund stated he was born in various census records.
By the time of the 1881 census, Edmund was living with his father and step-mother Martha Evans. There were five other children by this latter marriage.
There are no known photographs of Edmund. He was 15 years older than his wife Lucy Ann. His son Edmund recalled: "He worked in the mines from age of 8. He was a small man -- according to Lucy Ann he was strong. He got asthma at the end. He was was illiterate -- never schooled. The last thing he said to Edmund was "Look after and be good to your mother".Edmund's daugher Blodwyn, late in life, wrote this about her father: "I only know his father died leaving his wife with five children, three sons, my father the eldest, eight years old and two younger daughters. My father never attended school. In those days you had to pay to go to school. My father went down the coal mine when he was so young eight years old to help to support the family. He was born in a different shire to my mother. It was Monmouthshire. . . .[my mother] told me he was a good husband for a while, but he too (like his sister Mary) did not care for work later on."
|Name||Date of birth||Date/Place of Birth||Married to||Date of Death||Place of Death|
||abt 1888||Phoebe Davis
|Thomas Emrys||1st Qtr 1890||Pontypridd||December 7, 1911|| Mountain Ash
||4th Qtr 1891||Tonnypandy||Frank Wright|
||abt 1892||Pontypridd||Walter Jenkins|
|Martha May||February 5, 1896||Mountain Ash
||William Charles Morgan
||February 8, 1926||Mountain Ash
|William Llwelelyn||2nd Qtr 1897||Pontypridd||1st Qtr 1903||Mountain Ash|
|Sarah Ella||4th Qtr 1898||Pontypridd||John Vaughan
|Hannah Maud||November 19, 1899||Pontypridd||Joshua Henry Plank, Charles Jesse Croucher||March 28, 1986||Bournemouth|
||January 01, 1904||Mountain Ash
|Blodwyn||April 12, 1905||Mountain Ash
|| Reginald Morgan
|| Abt. 2002
|Annie||4 Qtr. 1906||Mountain Ash
|| Albert Ashton
|Ivor||2nd Qtr. 1909||Mountain Ash
fortunate in having two portraits of Lucy that have been
preserved in the family
|Portrait of Lucy Ann
Thomas about 1900. Original in possession of
granddaughter Mary Northover
We do not
have any photographs so far of Edmund; hopefully as this
project progresses some will appear. We do however possess
a photograph taken about 1912 (family lore states it was
taken shortly after the death of Emrys) which includes
Lucy and her younger children (perhaps because no
photograph of Emrys existed).
|Martha May, Blodwyn,
Hannah Maud, Annie, Lucy Ann, Ivor, Edmund
photograph is interesting in a few ways. Missing of the
younger children is Sarah Ella (always known as Ella). The
family was poor and an English family took Ella in (see
below for more details). We are told that the
photographs was taken shortly after the death of Thomas
Emrys in December 1911. This would make Ivor about 3 years
old that might be about right. Edmund Sr. is not in the
photograph nor are the three older surviving children
Morgan John, Margaret and Ester.
1891 census of the Edmund Miles and Lucy Ann (Thomas) Miles family
1901 census of the Edmund Miles and Lucy Ann (Thomas) Miles family
|1911 census of the
Edmund Miles and Lucy Ann (Thomas) Miles family
entries reveal interesting information about the family.
Married in the third quarter of 1888, by 1891 they already
had two children, Morgan John and Thomas Emrys. For Morgan
John to be 3 at the time of the census he was born about
the time of his parents marriage in the third quarter of
1888. We see that by 1891 Edmund and Lucy already have a
boarder Benjamin LLewellyn who is single and living with
them as a boarder in 1901 and 1911 -- essentially part of
the family and halfway in age between Edmund and Lucy. The
family grows over the two decades covered by the census
returns above from the two children reported in 1891 to
the eleven reported in 1911. However the 1911 census gives
us additional information indicating that in their 24
years of marriage Lucy has born 14 children only 11 of
whom are still alive. One of these is apparently William
who appears on the 1901 census at the age of 4 but not on
the 1911 census. We do not know the details for the other
two children who are deceased in 1911. Thomas Emrys who is
listed in the 1911 census dies later that year on December
1911. Another interesting item reported on the census is
that all of the family speak both languages (Welsh and
English). Another interesting item in the 1911 census is
that Sarah Ella Miles, though initially listed, is crossed
out. By this time Sarah Ella had moved in with the Jarvis
family and appears with them as an adopted daughter (more
on this when we write up Sarah Ella's biography).
|Bethel Villa is the
left half of the duplex in this photograph taken in
Edmund recalled that when [his father Edmund] died there was a big snowstorm in Wales . The date was 27 Mar 1922. The entry in the burial ground records at Aberdare reads as follows:
Burial Entry #3253, Maes-yr-arian Burial Ground in
"Edmund Miles, 68 years, died 27 Mar 1922, Llanwanno, 52 Clarence St. Mountain Ash, re-open, buried April 1st at 4:30, Rev S. Morgan, person making burial is Morgan Miles, 52 Clarence St. Mountain Ash." The entry reveals that the grave already contained a body (Emrys) and so was re-opened. It also indicates that the oldest son Morgan Miles made the burial arrangements, and that he lived at 52 Clarence St. in Mountain Ash. It indicates, too, that Edmund died in his son Morgan's house.
Lucy Ann suffered a number of strokes during the 1920's
after her husband's death. Her (by then orphaned)
granddaughter Phyllis slept with her in the last few years
of her life. Phyllis remembered, and was affected all her
life, by the trauma of waking up one morning and finding
that her grandmother was dead. Whether this is an actual
event might be incorrect as the location from which Lucy
Ann died was West Lodge and not the Clarence St. location.
Lucy's funeral was well attended as shown in the following
obituary note that was published in a local paper. (Note: The obituary is
helpful in this Miles Family Tree project for the
identification of family members and their locations)
|The Obituary Notice for
The entry for Lucy's burial reads is below.
Burial Entry #5119 Maes-yr-arian Cemetery, Mountain Ash
"Lucy Ann Miles, 61 years, Widow, died 26 February 1930, West Lodge, Mountain Ash, Llanwanno, Reopen, grave # 112, buried 4:30 p.m., 1 March 1930, Rev. John Phillips, E. Miles, 74 Consort St. Mountain Ash." Here we see that the son, Edmund has made the burial arrangements for his mother.
Also buried in this grave (indeed before either of his
parents) was their sonThomas Emrys who died in 1911. The
entry for his burial is below.
Burial Entry 513 Maes-yr-arian Cemetery, Mountain Ash
Thomas Miles, 21 years, Collier, died 7 Dec. 1911, 3 Bethel Villas, Consort Street, Mountain Ash, Llanwanno, Ordinary, grave #1124, buried 4:15 Dec 12, 1911, Rev. L. Bevan, The mark of Edmund Miles, 3 Bethyl Villas, Consort Street, Mountain Ash.
(Note: These transcriptions (made by great grandson Kenneth Scott) may be inaccurate as the grave they were buried in was one while the recorded transcriptions have different numbers.)
In the period preceding her death, Lucy suffered one or more strokes. In the cramped conditions of that time her granddaugter, Phyllis May Morgan slept with her. On the morning of February 26 when Phyllis awoke, her grandmother did not; Phyllis felt the emotional shock of this the rest of her life.
|The headstone of
Edmund and Lucy. The grave also contains the body of
their son Emrys. We note that the date of death for
Edmund is not correct. He died on March 27, 1922.
The stone was erected many years later by some of
his descendants and either they, or the monument
company, made the error.
||The grave of Edmund
and Lucy. This photograph was taken about 1998
shortly after some grandchildren had arranged for
the grave site to be cleaned up.
The registration district is Pontypridd; The registration
subdistrict is Llanwanno and the event probably was in
 FreeBMD website. This website gives online access to the birth, marriage and death registrations in the U.K. These registrations are indexed by quarter from 1837 onwards. Not all records yet appear on the site.
 Information provided by a family member or registration document.
 Photograph by great grandson Kenneth Scott in 2008.
 IGI of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (available at http://www.familysearch.org/)
 Copy of obituary notice provided by granddaughter Mary Northover
Many members of the Miles family have
contributed to this compilation. In addition the FreeBMD,
the LDS.org and FindMyPast.com websites have provided much
published 2008, revised 2010, 2012
© Kenneth Scott and others 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012